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	<description>your friend Rat Fink fires the neurons at random</description>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have included a caveat: All I can do is kill ants with atom bombs. It allows me to create strawmen, slippery slopes, and commit a host of other fallacies. Without them, I would have very little to say. 

Thanks for the welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have included a caveat: All I can do is kill ants with atom bombs. It allows me to create strawmen, slippery slopes, and commit a host of other fallacies. Without them, I would have very little to say. </p>
<p>Thanks for the welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: Rat Fink</title>
		<link>http://www.finkweb.org/rnf-xii/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>Rat Fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the addition, Ross (I knew there might be a couple I&#039;d missed), and welcome! 

When I wrote this, I wondered if I might get responses like yours, which, while wonderfully written, sort of used a nuclear bomb to kill an ant.

My only real point was that if a man&#039;s half white, it&#039;s not right (and maybe even opportunist) to call him black. That&#039;s it. 

I also know that I opened the potential worm can, so I should have expected it.  Suffice it to say that Obama is a smart man, and has smart people advising him -- that&#039;s a good thing. Harping on anything race-oriented would have been a stupid move, and I&#039;m sure he knew it. (Look where it got Al Sharpton.)

And truthfully, I&#039;m not interested in crafting a persuasive political argument. Not only because, on many levels, I don&#039;t believe they exist (meaning once an individual makes up his mind about a certain political stance or candidate, it&#039;s pretty much impossible to change it&lt;strong&gt;**&lt;/strong&gt;), but because that&#039;s not what this forum is about. I leave the intelligent (and, unfortunately, mostly useless) political back-and-forth to sites devoted to more important things. 99% of the time, I&#039;d rather talk about cute shoes, TV, Jake, and stuff that shakes no earth and challenges no regimes.

Again - welcome to you, Ross! Thanks for your thoughts today. 

&lt;strong&gt;**&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;unless you&#039;re Joe Lieberman&lt;/em&gt;

PS - If I&#039;m an idealist, it&#039;s totally by accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the addition, Ross (I knew there might be a couple I&#8217;d missed), and welcome! </p>
<p>When I wrote this, I wondered if I might get responses like yours, which, while wonderfully written, sort of used a nuclear bomb to kill an ant.</p>
<p>My only real point was that if a man&#8217;s half white, it&#8217;s not right (and maybe even opportunist) to call him black. That&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>I also know that I opened the potential worm can, so I should have expected it.  Suffice it to say that Obama is a smart man, and has smart people advising him &#8212; that&#8217;s a good thing. Harping on anything race-oriented would have been a stupid move, and I&#8217;m sure he knew it. (Look where it got Al Sharpton.)</p>
<p>And truthfully, I&#8217;m not interested in crafting a persuasive political argument. Not only because, on many levels, I don&#8217;t believe they exist (meaning once an individual makes up his mind about a certain political stance or candidate, it&#8217;s pretty much impossible to change it<strong>**</strong>), but because that&#8217;s not what this forum is about. I leave the intelligent (and, unfortunately, mostly useless) political back-and-forth to sites devoted to more important things. 99% of the time, I&#8217;d rather talk about cute shoes, TV, Jake, and stuff that shakes no earth and challenges no regimes.</p>
<p>Again &#8211; welcome to you, Ross! Thanks for your thoughts today. </p>
<p><strong>**</strong><em>unless you&#8217;re Joe Lieberman</em></p>
<p>PS &#8211; If I&#8217;m an idealist, it&#8217;s totally by accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.finkweb.org/rnf-xii/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, you overlooked Channing Phillips in 68, and in response to &quot;for whatever reasons [they] didn’t make it past the convention stage&quot;, if you&#039;d like a reason, look at the name above Chisholm&#039;s: George Wallace. While I admire your post-election idealism, racism has not quite landed in history&#039;s dustbin. 

Now come on, it has everything to do with how he looks.  he doesn&#039;t look black to you?  go to wikipedia&#039;s wikicommons page to see the portraits of all 44 presidents (the 44th portrait is unofficial, probably from the Senate)  call me crazy, there&#039;s something ... I dunno, something different about how he looks, compared to the rest of them. Now I know that judging people &#039;by the color of their skin and not the content of their character&#039; is how this nation got in this racial mess to begin with, but it&#039;s a little late to say, &quot;yeah, we were doing that, but it didn&#039;t fly.  So let&#039;s drop it, all 300 million of us. right now.&quot;

At any rate, here&#039;s the great news: forms of hatred played their parts in these elections, and racism actually lost!  Sadly, it lost out to an older and even more pervasive hatred in America: Misogyny.  Palin was judged by her appearance- this was unfortunate.  But here&#039;s the step in the right direction: she was also judged by the content of her character- this was fortunate. 

in a testament to his political savvy, Obama never once made his race an issue in the campaign, he didn&#039;t harp on the historical significance.  that&#039;s smart politics.  clinton and palin, however, had a slightly harder time containing their excitement over their own historical significance.  bad politics. 

Finally, you could craft a very persuasive argument that a country which values freedom is best served by someone who comes from a group of people who have historically been denied it, and who may therefore have a greater appreciation for it.  this goes equally for blacks as it does for women and a variety of other groups. 

by the way, I&#039;m Ross, I&#039;m new here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, you overlooked Channing Phillips in 68, and in response to &#8220;for whatever reasons [they] didn’t make it past the convention stage&#8221;, if you&#8217;d like a reason, look at the name above Chisholm&#8217;s: George Wallace. While I admire your post-election idealism, racism has not quite landed in history&#8217;s dustbin. </p>
<p>Now come on, it has everything to do with how he looks.  he doesn&#8217;t look black to you?  go to wikipedia&#8217;s wikicommons page to see the portraits of all 44 presidents (the 44th portrait is unofficial, probably from the Senate)  call me crazy, there&#8217;s something &#8230; I dunno, something different about how he looks, compared to the rest of them. Now I know that judging people &#8216;by the color of their skin and not the content of their character&#8217; is how this nation got in this racial mess to begin with, but it&#8217;s a little late to say, &#8220;yeah, we were doing that, but it didn&#8217;t fly.  So let&#8217;s drop it, all 300 million of us. right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>At any rate, here&#8217;s the great news: forms of hatred played their parts in these elections, and racism actually lost!  Sadly, it lost out to an older and even more pervasive hatred in America: Misogyny.  Palin was judged by her appearance- this was unfortunate.  But here&#8217;s the step in the right direction: she was also judged by the content of her character- this was fortunate. </p>
<p>in a testament to his political savvy, Obama never once made his race an issue in the campaign, he didn&#8217;t harp on the historical significance.  that&#8217;s smart politics.  clinton and palin, however, had a slightly harder time containing their excitement over their own historical significance.  bad politics. </p>
<p>Finally, you could craft a very persuasive argument that a country which values freedom is best served by someone who comes from a group of people who have historically been denied it, and who may therefore have a greater appreciation for it.  this goes equally for blacks as it does for women and a variety of other groups. </p>
<p>by the way, I&#8217;m Ross, I&#8217;m new here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“the guy who beat my choice.”

lol.

:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“the guy who beat my choice.”</p>
<p>lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Rat Fink</title>
		<link>http://www.finkweb.org/rnf-xii/#comment-1027</link>
		<dc:creator>Rat Fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TRO</title>
		<link>http://www.finkweb.org/rnf-xii/#comment-1026</link>
		<dc:creator>TRO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My, my, aren&#039;t you feeling froggy today.  Touchy subject but you pulled it off deftly.  I doubt I could have talked about it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, my, aren&#8217;t you feeling froggy today.  Touchy subject but you pulled it off deftly.  I doubt I could have talked about it as well.</p>
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